[COMMENT: The outcome of these kinds of discussions will decide policy for much of the next decades to come. Pray that we become radical truth-seekers, and learn to speak the truth in love.
The psychology of Islam appears to be rooted in a terrible need for control, and a deep focus on good feelings, not on good relationships. In other words, violence and sex are a part of the inherent psychology of much of Islam.
The question is how to get Muslims who have some common sense and feeling for other human beings to see this.
See further comments below in the text. E.
Fox]
This is to all the liberals that “understand” the pain of the Islamists and think they can negotiate…..
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 7, 2006
A Muslim rape epidemic in sweeping over Europe -- and over many other nations host to immigrants from the Islamic world. The direct connection between the rapes and Islam is irrefutable, as Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists and rape suspects. The Muslim perpetrators themselves boast that there crime is justified since their victims were, among other things, not properly veiled.
To discuss this issue with us
today, we are joined by:
Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the Palestinian Intifada. His new documentary, Suicide Killers, explores the psychology of suicide bombers. It is based on interviews with the victims of suicide bombers, the families of suicide bombers, would-be bombers themselves, and experts on suicide killer mentality.
Nancy Kobrin, an affiliated professor to the University of Haifa, Arabist, psychoanalyst and author of the upcoming book, The Sheikh's New Clothes: Islamic Suicide Terror and What It's Really All About;
Peter
Raddatz,
a German scholar of Islamic Studies and
the co-author of the renowned “Encyclopaedia of Islam.” He is the author
of many books, including From Allah to
Terror? Jihad and the Western Deformation,
Allah's
Veil
and
The Turkish Danger. In a few months he will publish
World Risk
and
Gudrun Eussner,
a journalist
with a Ph.D at Free University
FP: Pierre Rehov, Nancy Kobrin, Peter Raddatz and Dr. Gudrun Eussner welcome to Frontpage Symposium.
Peter Raddaz let’s begin with you.
A man sees a woman and she is not veiled. He thinks to himself: “Oh, I must rape her now.”
No matter how much I try to figure this out, I can’t. What’s the mindset here? If a person is upset that a woman is not veiled, it implies he wants some kind of supposed “morality.” But if he is thirsting for purity, how does perpetrating a violent sexual atrocity against the “immoral” one fit into moralizing her and the rest of society – and himself?
Raddatz: Your questions concerning mindset and morals put us right into the middle of the problem. They are the terms any culture's collective psychology is basing on. In the case of prevailing orthodox Islam we are faced with a deep division between the sexes. With Allah's unlimited ruling licence the males are entitled to be the masters of the females. The Koranic order says that the man has to "go to the woman" whenever he likes, to "enjoy her however he likes", and to discipline her in case she develops her own ideas like sexual self-determination.
Its biologistic "thinking" demands the "pure" man as the real human dominating the "impure" woman as a lower form, rather close to some animal-like existence. Therefore, sexuality cannot be sublimated and has to serve - aside from ramifications into homo-, paedo- and sodo-variants - a basic double function: fertilizing and punishing.
[COMMENT: I suspect that the Muslims will destroy themselves over these issues. Society cannot tolerate such behavior for long. E. Fox}
[COMMENT: to the extent that this is true, it reflects surely on the psychology of Mohammed himself. And in any event, it is a terrible slander on God. Christians and others need constantly to point out this slander business. Not attack "Allah", which is simply the Arabic word for God, but defend the honor of God against perversions such as Islam promotes. E. Fox]
FP: Thank you Dr. Raddatz. Dr. Eussner?
Eussner: Thank you, Jamie. I agree with Peter: The survival and expansion of Islam worldwide is the main goal of Islam since its invention by Mohammed. In this respect, the history of Islamic conquest is self-explanatory. The other aspect is the lack of appreciation for the individual as such. For both, men and women, it is true, that there are no individual rights, but for women it is even worse.
It may sound harsh, but the distinction between "fertilizing" and "punishing" a woman is evident. On the one hand you have sexuality as a tool serving the expansion of Islam, and on the other hand there is sexuality as a weapon against disobedient and non-Muslim women, both categorized as "unbelievers". Against them jihad is the duty, and what to do with women "conquered" in jihad, this may be read in the Qur'an: they become slaves to be used by the victors.
Why is the raping of unveiled women, either Muslim or non-Muslim, now spreading widely in our countries?
While orthodox Sunni Muslims, stuck to the unchanged application of the tradition are not at all in line with this "modern" interpretation, the "scholar" Tariq Ramadan has paved a soft way for Muslims to taking possession of countries formerly belonging to the Dar ul-harb. When living in Dar ul-harb there are two alternatives for the Muslims: either conquer the land by force and rule it by Qur'anic law or, if not strong enough, keep quiet and wait, not touching the property of the enemy.
The Muslims are not living any longer in
a hostile surrounding, they are almost in Dar ul-Islam. Profesor Nezvat
Yalçintas, member of the
[COMMENT: Some years ago, a judge in Wisconsin tried a rape case, and made a comment to the effect that the woman had some blame in the affair because of her provocative dress. He was roundly chastized by the femininists who want the law fully on their side against men. Why are they not standing up on cases such as in Norway?]
Rehov:
There are very few observations that I can add to Dr Eussner’s and Dr
Raddatz’s surveys on both the cultural and religious seeds of the phenome
non, although there is a personal dimension that I would like to explore.
Of course, in a cultural
environment where women are undermined, not to say considered as second
rate citizens or even dangerous to the dominant male, the temptation to
rape as a result to “ provocation “ is great. Female “provocation” in the
Muslim society is usually a definition for the mildest behavior. Smiling,
singing, talking, being alone for one minute in the same room as the
rapist, having answered a question in an inappropriate way, wearing
clothes which are not strictly in obedience with what is locally
considered as the Muslim rules, all of these innocent behaviors are seen
as a misconduct authorizing “revenge.”
In a society where sex is
absolutely forbidden, taboo, and where separation between males and
females is absolute, where in most cases marriages are not the result of
love but of a financial arrangement between two families, the sensual or
erotic aspect of any relationship between genders is, de-facto,
suspicious, considered evil, and therefore an act of aggression. Sexual
“revenge”, containing violence, can be naturally considered as the
automatic answer to the “ provocations “ described above, and this for two
reasons.
In Muslim society the male is dominant and almighty since he is made after God, when women have been created as a necessary evil to tempt males. In other words, the female body is the closest thing to the Devil, something which has to be dominated as a proof a faith. We go back to the sacrifice of Eros to Thanatos, as one of the basic sacrifices of all monotheisms, where, since the origins of the Bible, first inspiration to the Koran, women have been the carriers of the original sin.
[COMMENT: If I understand this comment, it is a terrible misinterpretation of the Biblical fall and of original sin. The woman was not considered more guilty by God than the man. God addressed Adam first in the Garden because he was the spiritual head of his family. That headship was in no way parallel to the Muslim notion. As Hebrew religion developed, and then in Christianity, women began to fare better than any place in the world. E. Fox]
In such a pattern, a male will
not only consider any suspect behavior, including the mildest one, as an
evil temptation, but he might look forward to experiencing one, as a
religious challenge. Whatever will happen then won’t be the result of his
own will, but he believes in having received absolution in advance for an
act that, he knows, is against his own religion. During these minutes of
deception and absolute power, he is not abusing a woman but fighting the
Devil inside.
Of course, primitive chauvinism
is the second reason. Again, since males in chauvinist societies are
deprived of all natural pleasures resulting from what we consider a normal
relationship between men and women, beside sexual ones, the level of
frustration is very high and the fear of impotency even higher. A male
tempted must react. The automatic result to frustration and fear is
usually violence. In this case, sexual violence.
A friend of mine is a retired
chief of police, who used to be in charge of the security of a major city
in the south of France. He reported to me that his men had to face an
average of 10 rapes a week, 80% made by Muslim young men. 30% being what
we call, in French, a “ tournante “, meaning that the victim is being
raped by an entire gang, one after the other, often during an entire
night. My friend reports that, in many cases, he was able to locate and
arrest the rapists, often very young ones, and, as part of the
investigation, call the families. He was astonished that, in most cases,
the parents not only would back up their rapist children, but also would
not even understand why they would be arrested. There is an instant shift
in the notion of good and evil as a major component of culture. The only
evil those parents would see, genuinely, is the temptation that the male
children had to face. Since in most cases the victims were not Muslims,
the parents’ answer and rejection was even more genuine: how could their
boys be guilty of anything, when normally answering to a provocation by
occidental women, known for their unacceptable behavior?
Kobrin:
Thanks, Jamie. So far I agree with everything the panel has said. There
are several layers to this tragedy which will ultimately occur here in the
I have it from first hand experience
interviewing Muslim male immigrants that they hate it here in the
[COMMENT: This fact is a part of the degradation of America -- that children are no longer disciplined by parents. We are paying a high price for that. The Muslims are right in chastizing us for that. Obviously not by rape, but by open objection. We should be challenged on such issues. E. Fox]
I interviewed Muslim women who justified wife beating because it is “educational.” These women were probably brutalized as little girls and are unable to know NOT to blame the unveiled woman victim. Every Muslim male and female that I have interviewed has experienced being beaten as a child and have witnessed the beating of their mother.
Rape is learned behavior in the home.
Peter is absolutely correct in describing the insidious sexual dichotomy
of Muslim male supremacy over the lowly denigrated female.
At the ideological level which Gudrun has
so aptly introduced into this discussion, we encounter the classic
practice of taqiya, lit. ‘guarding one’s self’ more commonly thought of
dissimulation and its insidious behavior of orchestrating jihad by every
possible means in a clandestine manner. Rape is just one more weapon in
the jihadi arsenal for Dar el-dawaa and Dar ash-shahada. While the labels
may change, Muslim male sexual inadequacies, to put it mildly, remain the
same and their rage is inflicted brutally on the other. I do not recall
ever reading in the literature on rape as a weapon of war that the
underlying issue of child sexual abuse is probably the precursor for such
despicable behavior. The sexual norms of the Arab Muslim world are totally
different. As a psychoanalyst and trauma expert, if there is physical
violence going on in the home, I always wonder about sexual abuse and the
perpetrator parents.
These Muslim rapists are essentially babies, as they show us their
pathetic need to target the most vulnerable because they are completely
emasculated. They cannot control themselves sexually and they are sexually
confused as well. Power, aggression, rage and sex yield a near lethal mix
arising out of bizarre family dynamics which they experienced growing up.
[COMMENT: These points must be made over and over. Pointing out that the behavior is not 'macho', it is infantile. E. Fox]
They are directly attacking not only the
venerable Western female but also the rape should be thought of as a kind
of ambush on the Western male. I never really bought the argument that
Bouyeri murdered Theo van Gogh because of the film -- Submission. Sure
that was part of it but the fact that Van Gogh called the Jihadis – a
fifth column of goat fkers must have really hit Bouyeri where it hurt and
he lost it – I might add, shortly after his mother died. To be a goat
herder is to be on the lowest rung. Male children are routinely treated as
if they were goats. The pet goat is also slaughtered and eaten. Again the
imagery goes hand in glove with the dissociated, denied behaviors and
ideologies. Rape is a forced sexual fusion. The rapists remain erotically
fused to their mothers upon whom they completely depend emotionally but
hate it.
As for the Western feminists in academe who have completely sold out to
political correctness, they too remain clueless as to what their behavior
tells us about themselves. They function as another fused family who must
go to extreme lengths to defend these male rapists as well. I would assume
that at some level these feminists must really be terrified because if
they were to take a hard look, they would have to admit to themselves that
they might be next.
FP: I think you have hit the nail on the head, but I do not think the radical feminists are afraid of being next. From my study of the Left they crave to be next and that is why they support these dark forces. They yearn to submit to the dark forces of totalitarianism and even to be devoured by them. It is the same death-wish virus that motivated many Western communists to go to Stalinist Russia to supposedly build communism, when they actually only went to their deaths, giving their lives for an idea that butchered them.
Dr. Raddatz, go ahead.
Raddatz:
There seems to be a
remarkable consent among ourselves on the subject, contrary however, to
the official "Islamic correct" reception on Western elite level. Here we
can register a very modest resonance to the rising wave of violence
against Muslim women. In
In
Earlier in this discussion,
Nancy Kobrin described the central role the mother-son-relation is playing
in this cynical game, how rape is functioning as substitute measure
punishing the mother for eternalizing the male dependence on her,
irrespective of the usual imitation reflex following the parental violence
behaviour. The personal literary reports and the official UN analyses on
Islamic family dynamics concur in a somewhat disquieting aspect. They
confirm not only the tendency to incest but also an even stronger attitude
towards anal sexuality, meaning an unusually high percentage of males
preferring anal intercourse to vaginal, especially in the framework of
"normal" marital life.
If Western "elites" are not able to openly discuss these deficits they indicate their readiness to assume similar attitudes and possibly destruct the grown order. The growing aggression against women as well as the obvious sympathy for homo- and paedo-sexuality put them closer to Islamic preferences and may even signal a meta-social trend that could lead back into pre-modern i.e. totalitarian structures. Insofar we are not only dealing with a mere mode of the Left as Jamie implies, but also with a Neo-fascist thinking frame that wants to install Islam unchanged and incessantly demands "respect" for its adored wholeness.
[COMMENT: Do not look soon for Western leaders to force an honest discussion about truth. They cannot discuss the realities of sexuality on any front, most especially on the homosexual front. We have cowards and ignoramuses for our leadership -- political, spiritual, educational, and on it goes. E. Fox]
FP:
Dr. Raddatz, could you kindly, in simple terms, explain what you mean when
you refer to “the phallic
organization of infantile sexuality” being kept from “diversification”?
What exactly is “oedipal defectiveness” and why and how does it develop
“into a general male dominance” that neglects the female vagina, etc.?
Break this down into simple terms for me and our readers. This is
obviously crucial because it is the foundation to the pathology in the
culture under examination.
[COMMENT: This "penis power" is two-fold -- the desire for pleasure, and the fact that the penis stands for something quite beyond itself. We are called "homo-erectus". But the real erection of manhood is not the penis, it is the backbone, the ability to stand on one 's own feet and be a real person. When this is subverted, we resort to all the common defenses and offenses to make up for it.
The Freudians are wrong to make the penis or sex in general the primary focus. The focus is personhood. We focus on our genitals (men and women both) when we have lost, or never got, the capacity to be fully ourselves, as God has designed us. E. Fox]
[COMMENT: The answer lies in spiritual renewal. There is nothing God cannot heal and make new. We are made in the Image of God, male and female. God knows what He is doing, and if we follow Him, we will come out right. But that requires that Christians get real with God and with one another. E. Fox]
Meanwhile we can enjoy people who recognize that the creation does not come from man but contains men and women as unity inside an order which is compatible with their minds. The goal of the non-system, however, is the abolishment of every known system, the break of the human mind, the total change from perpetrator to victim, from the old reality to a "New Age, the ultimate return into chaos where we - allegedly - come from. On its way there this "thinking" regards Islam as the most attractive companion as it has "achieved" the most important prerequisiite already - the absence of "old" ethics.
[COMMENT: This is an excellent insight. E. Fox]
FP: Dr. Eussner, your turn.
Eussner: Let
me answer Pierre Rehov first. I agree in what you said about experiencing
religious challenge, the proof of faith,
[COMMENT: He is wrong here. The spiritual foundations are that out of which the political spring. The image of God as pictured in the Islamic Allah makes the politics inevitable -- the distant Father whom you never get to know. You know only his "law". A totally impersonal and oppressive religion. E. Fox]
A disobedient woman is outlawed. The high
percentage of gang raping is due to the cowardliness of the young Muslim
men, in
Turkish female academics testifying about the situation of Muslim women in our society, talking about forced marriages, beating and rape, are torn down by multi-culti loving leftist social scientists. In my research work on the campaign against the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut I came across a feminist in favour of the head scarf, who is understanding fully the rioting Muslim youngsters, that is the Allah Houakhbar shouting mob of the French suburbs, and to round it off, cooperating closely with the Salafist Web Site Oumma.com and a so-called Third World Solidarity Center, supporting Tali Fahima and thanking Yasser Arafat for his valuable contribution: "Choukran Abu Amar!"
FP: Pierre Rehov?
Rehov: Answering first to Dr Raddatz, I'd like to stay a little bit away from any kind of Freudian approach to the problem. In some ways, I believe that Freudism is a tool to explain many problems and behaviors in an involved civilization, most of those problems being generated by the "taboos" of this civilization.
When talking about "rape" by young Muslims, I think that our usual approaches don't apply anymore. What builds a Muslim young male's ego is very far away from what we consider as part of the subconscious of any young male in a modern Judeo-Christian society. I am not sure, for instance, that a Freudian approach could explain the level of fear towards Witches, or the violence generated by Inquisition during the dark ages of Christianity. Freudian- in my opinion - is not a tool to understand behaviors connected to the irrationnal. Although, of course, I am not a psychiatrist, not an analyst.
Back to our rapists, I would make it simple by saying that genuine frustration, combined with a high contempt toward women, as a result of a culture in which women are classified way under men, leads to an instinctive - animal type - behavior, not censored nor punished by common cultural values.
Inside the Palestinian territories, I collected a lot of different stories involving raping of an innocent girl who later on was slaughtered by her own father or cousin, because she had lost her virginity.
This example to say that, in Muslim culture, values exist, but the line between good and evil is drawn somewhere else, far away from our understanding. Protecting women against themselves is considered a good action, even if this includes death penalty, as long as family's honor - which is paramount - is saved.
When Dr Eussner adds to my previous comments that religion is only half of the explanation, and that we mustn't forget the political aims, I could not agree more. Although I'd like to emphasize that in the Muslim world, religion and politics is one single thing. There is no separation between powers in any Muslim society and the ideal Muslim society accepts the Shari'ah (Muslim law, written in the Koran ) as the basis for any civil society, including its rules of punishment.
In addition, I can see in any raping of a non-Muslim woman by a Muslim male as a racist action, and it is high time for us to acknowledge and condemn it. The level of contempt towards non-Muslim women is the reflection of the level of hatred towards the society which creates equality between men and women. We all know that there is a sexual component in any form of racism. I personally see primitive racism as the expression of a fear connected to the unconscious protection of the genes among the males. Raping women belonging to another cultural, religious group or race is an act of male domination not only against the woman herself, but against the entire group in which she belongs.
Therefore, we have to differentiate two types of rapings: the aims are different whether the victim is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. In the second case, hatred is added to contempt.
FP: Nany Kobrin, last word goes to you.
Kobrin: People are more similar than they are different. However, the devil is in the details.
[COMMENT: YES! We are more similar than different because all made in the image of the same God. But -- we can move in quite opposing directions -- away from responsible relationship based on truth and righteousness, and towards feeling-good, or the other way. That is what makes the difference. E. Fox]
Everything is always already psychosexual. Rape by definition is psychosexual, obviously. It is one thing to have rape fantasies which is very common (cf. M. Bader. Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies, Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin’s Press, 2002). It is quite another not to have any boundaries and to inflict rape, which is a forced sexual fusion. This concretely expresses the inability to be separate and independent. It is pure aggression, rage and severe separation anxiety. The Arab Muslim culture by definition promotes an incested family, a “closed circle”, and their “Freud” is Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam, Saqi Books, 1998. If you read French, it’s been available since 1975 in the original.
[1] This brings me to Freud. He is not as
western as people would like to think. In fact he held strong
identifications with Sephardic culture since his adolescence as expressed
by a significant body of correspondence (before e-mail) in Spanish with
his childhood Rumanian Jewish friend Edouard Silberstein. Elsewhere I have
argued that his romance with Spanish was his “private Ladino” which served
him better than Yiddish which was often stigmatized. The Sephardic
culture of
[2] This brings me to the recent tragic death of 23 yr old Ilan Halima z”l, baited and tortured to death. We have seen this time and again before. This is yet another psychosexual tactic in the arsenal of terrorism along with gang rape and suicide bombing. These strategies to annihilate the Other which is always perceived as female should be read functionally and by this I mean, that imagery is key. The terrorists think visually. I recently read Dr. Temple Grandin’s Thinking in Pictures: My Life with Autism and her other book co-authored with Catherine Johnson, Animals in Translation: Using the Mysteries of Autism to Decode Animal Behavior, Scribner, 2005. I do not mean to say that terrorists are simply autistic. It is more complicated than that but their behaviors such as gang rape is terror-driven and similar to the rapist roosters who rape and murder hens when they have been bred incorrectly because this is not normal for roosters. “There is no species alive in nature where half the males kill reproductive-age females.” (Grandin, Animals in Translation, p.70) In my work on Islamic suicide terrorism, I have noted that the rage is really against the prenatal Muslim mother, misdirected to the infidels who represent her in the jihadi mind’s eye. Interestingly enough, Grandin also notes that “humans have neotenized dogs: without realizing it, humans have bred dogs to stay immature for their entire lives.” (P.86) I would substitute the word "bred" for concepts like child-rearing practices, etc. And raise the question as can it be that Arab Muslim boys turned rapists have been "neotenized", that is raised to stay immature for their entire lives?
Finally, the scariest thing of all of this is when bad becomes normal. Quoting Grandin: “The really bad thing was that the change happened slowly enough [talking about the rapist roosters] that the farmers and probably the breeder colonies, too didn’t realize they’d created a monster. Nobody noticed what was happening. As the roosters got more and more aggressive, the humans unconsciously adjusted their perceptions of how a normal rooster should act. It was a case of the bad becoming normal, . . . [emphasis mine].” (p.72)
Those who defend the rapists and their culture (no matter where they are located on the spectrum of politics) have unconsciously adjusted their perceptions of how Muslim males should act. They have done so because at some unconscious disavowed level they themselves are terrified. I am not advocating “compassion” for them because they are terrified. That is their problem and I refuse to blame the victim. However, I am advocating understanding the problem at the deepest level possible for ourselves because it is crazy making and we need to stay grounded in what is predicted to be a very long marathon on terrorism. The Israelis say between 300 to 500 years and considering the transgenerational transmission of trauma, to my analytic ear that sounds just about right.
Thank you Jamie and your staff at FrontPageMag.com along Dr. Raddatz, Dr. Eussner and Mr. Rehov as it has been for me a thought provoking exchange.
FP: Pierre Rehov, Nancy Kobrin, Peter Raddatz and Dr. Gudrun Eussner, thank you for joining Frontpage Symposium.
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